Comments on: Does anyone own PAIRWISE? http://blog.siouxsports.com/2007/12/13/does-uscho-own-pairwise/ UND fans discuss the Fighting Sioux Wed, 07 Jan 2009 14:32:35 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Goon http://blog.siouxsports.com/2007/12/13/does-uscho-own-pairwise/comment-page-1/#comment-102 Goon Sun, 16 Dec 2007 02:09:32 +0000 http://blog.siouxsports.com/2007/12/13/does-uscho-own-pairwise/#comment-102 I can't imagine a court giving them a trade mark PAIRWISE, that would be silly even in my eyes. :) I can’t imagine a court giving them a trade mark PAIRWISE, that would be silly even in my eyes. :)

]]> By: jimdahl http://blog.siouxsports.com/2007/12/13/does-uscho-own-pairwise/comment-page-1/#comment-101 jimdahl Sun, 16 Dec 2007 00:33:28 +0000 http://blog.siouxsports.com/2007/12/13/does-uscho-own-pairwise/#comment-101 John assures me that it's normal operating procedure for the first response of Sept. 11 to just cover form, not yet related "art." He further assures me that they use Wikipedia all the time. While I do see the advantages, I still also see drawbacks. Goon -- we try to be very respectful of others' intellectual property, so if USCHO were granted a trademark over PAIRWISE, we would look for a way to continue to publish the pairwise details we currently do without infringing on their trademark. I can't really predict what that would take, since it's all hypothetical. John assures me that it’s normal operating procedure for the first response of Sept. 11 to just cover form, not yet related “art.” He further assures me that they use Wikipedia all the time. While I do see the advantages, I still also see drawbacks.

Goon — we try to be very respectful of others’ intellectual property, so if USCHO were granted a trademark over PAIRWISE, we would look for a way to continue to publish the pairwise details we currently do without infringing on their trademark. I can’t really predict what that would take, since it’s all hypothetical.

]]> By: Goon http://blog.siouxsports.com/2007/12/13/does-uscho-own-pairwise/comment-page-1/#comment-99 Goon Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:33:37 +0000 http://blog.siouxsports.com/2007/12/13/does-uscho-own-pairwise/#comment-99 Donald I don't know if it is possible for anyone to write without some kind of a bias. It is just human nature. I Donald I don’t know if it is possible for anyone to write without some kind of a bias. It is just human nature. I

]]> By: Donald http://blog.siouxsports.com/2007/12/13/does-uscho-own-pairwise/comment-page-1/#comment-98 Donald Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:26:07 +0000 http://blog.siouxsports.com/2007/12/13/does-uscho-own-pairwise/#comment-98 Adam, Hate to disagree with you. Milewski (and the cat they had after him before Theresa) were such blatant Wisconsin homers that it made their columns slanted. That'd have been fine if they have admitted to it at any point during their USCHO days. Theresa is refreshing since she has none of the pretense of virtually everyone else on that site. If anything she is too apologetic for her "newness". A little dose of confidence (which the experience should give her) and she'll be fine. Adam,
Hate to disagree with you. Milewski (and the cat they had after him before Theresa) were such blatant Wisconsin homers that it made their columns slanted. That’d have been fine if they have admitted to it at any point during their USCHO days. Theresa is refreshing since she has none of the pretense of virtually everyone else on that site. If anything she is too apologetic for her “newness”. A little dose of confidence (which the experience should give her) and she’ll be fine.

]]> By: adamw http://blog.siouxsports.com/2007/12/13/does-uscho-own-pairwise/comment-page-1/#comment-97 adamw Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:57:45 +0000 http://blog.siouxsports.com/2007/12/13/does-uscho-own-pairwise/#comment-97 In fairness, Todd Milewski is an excellent college hockey writer, but Theresa Spisak is someone who is very enthusiastic and will be very good. We started her writing articles last year. This year, USCHO took her to fill that spot, but she's still writing for us. She may not be at Todd's level yet, but he's been doing it a lot longer. -- Adam W. (CHN) In fairness, Todd Milewski is an excellent college hockey writer, but Theresa Spisak is someone who is very enthusiastic and will be very good. We started her writing articles last year. This year, USCHO took her to fill that spot, but she’s still writing for us. She may not be at Todd’s level yet, but he’s been doing it a lot longer. — Adam W. (CHN)

]]> By: Goon http://blog.siouxsports.com/2007/12/13/does-uscho-own-pairwise/comment-page-1/#comment-96 Goon Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:08:04 +0000 http://blog.siouxsports.com/2007/12/13/does-uscho-own-pairwise/#comment-96 Donald is right, USCHO is has really declined over the years, is lame the right word to use, USCHO's fan forum has become stale and the new WCHA writer isn't worthy of sniffing Todd Melowski's socks. I also agree that CHN does a good job of reporting and I get most of my college news from there because of the email notifcations. The only article on USCHO I read anymore are Hockey Guru PCM. Donald is right, USCHO is has really declined over the years, is lame the right word to use, USCHO’s fan forum has become stale and the new WCHA writer isn’t worthy of sniffing Todd Melowski’s socks.

I also agree that CHN does a good job of reporting and I get most of my college news from there because of the email notifcations. The only article on USCHO I read anymore are Hockey Guru PCM.

]]> By: Goon http://blog.siouxsports.com/2007/12/13/does-uscho-own-pairwise/comment-page-1/#comment-95 Goon Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:02:22 +0000 http://blog.siouxsports.com/2007/12/13/does-uscho-own-pairwise/#comment-95 It seems to me that the Pairwise, PAIRWISE or PWR are out there for everone to use, thanks to the people you mention earlier in the article. It also mimicks the NCAA selection process. I an not see any reason why USCHO would benifit from putting a copy right on PAIRWISE? Jim would that mean that you would no longer be able to post it on SiouxSports.com? It seems to me that the Pairwise, PAIRWISE or PWR are out there for everone to use, thanks to the people you mention earlier in the article. It also mimicks the NCAA selection process. I an not see any reason why USCHO would benifit from putting a copy right on PAIRWISE? Jim would that mean that you would no longer be able to post it on SiouxSports.com?

]]> By: adamw http://blog.siouxsports.com/2007/12/13/does-uscho-own-pairwise/comment-page-1/#comment-94 adamw Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:59:25 +0000 http://blog.siouxsports.com/2007/12/13/does-uscho-own-pairwise/#comment-94 Good job Jim. A fair and comprehensive analysis. I won't quibble over the details. I will point out that I encourage folks to read our entire rebuttal from last April. I'll also say that, as far as we're concerned, there's no "pissing match" with USCHO, and if there's any issues between the two, it comes solely from their end. It's my personal wish that all three major college hockey news sites worked together. I've always felt that way. ... Finally, my views on the Pairwise have not changed. They've been consistent going back to long before I left USCHO. ... Regards, Adam W. (CHN) Good job Jim. A fair and comprehensive analysis. I won’t quibble over the details. I will point out that I encourage folks to read our entire rebuttal from last April. I’ll also say that, as far as we’re concerned, there’s no “pissing match” with USCHO, and if there’s any issues between the two, it comes solely from their end. It’s my personal wish that all three major college hockey news sites worked together. I’ve always felt that way. … Finally, my views on the Pairwise have not changed. They’ve been consistent going back to long before I left USCHO. … Regards, Adam W. (CHN)

]]> By: Donald http://blog.siouxsports.com/2007/12/13/does-uscho-own-pairwise/comment-page-1/#comment-93 Donald Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:01:36 +0000 http://blog.siouxsports.com/2007/12/13/does-uscho-own-pairwise/#comment-93 Thanks for the excellent article. I've been aware of the pissing contest between the USCHO and CHN since I noticed USCHO booting them because they were linking to CHN articles on the fan forum. That was cheesy. On my blog I reference CHN wherever possible if for no other reason than Wooden and Machnik are simply better hockey writers than anyone they have at USCHO. Without the fan forum CHN would blow USCHO away in my opinion. The game recaps on that site are often a joke with grossly biased and/or inaccurate coverage. CHN suffers perhaps from not having as many folks working for it but the quality of their product always exceeds USCHO's in my opinion. Try getting someone at USCHO to address a concern about their site or it's coverage and you'll be damn lucky if you ever get a reply. The quickest reply I ever got from them came from Patrick Miller ... Conversely, I've had numerous (and full) exchanges with both Adam and Mike at CHN. I suppose it's a bit of a personal thing for me since they banned me from the fan forum but USCHO could disappear from the Web tomorrow and I wouldn't miss it. But again ... thanks so much for great article. A real nice look "behind the scenes" and well-written/documented as well. You do a great job for Sioux fans with Siouxsports and hopefully that leads to lots of free beers for ya! Sincerely, Donald (UAA Hockey Fan Blog) Thanks for the excellent article. I’ve been aware of the pissing contest between the USCHO and CHN since I noticed USCHO booting them because they were linking to CHN articles on the fan forum. That was cheesy.

On my blog I reference CHN wherever possible if for no other reason than Wooden and Machnik are simply better hockey writers than anyone they have at USCHO. Without the fan forum CHN would blow USCHO away in my opinion. The game recaps on that site are often a joke with grossly biased and/or inaccurate coverage. CHN suffers perhaps from not having as many folks working for it but the quality of their product always exceeds USCHO’s in my opinion.

Try getting someone at USCHO to address a concern about their site or it’s coverage and you’ll be damn lucky if you ever get a reply. The quickest reply I ever got from them came from Patrick Miller … Conversely, I’ve had numerous (and full) exchanges with both Adam and Mike at CHN.

I suppose it’s a bit of a personal thing for me since they banned me from the fan forum but USCHO could disappear from the Web tomorrow and I wouldn’t miss it.

But again … thanks so much for great article. A real nice look “behind the scenes” and well-written/documented as well. You do a great job for Sioux fans with Siouxsports and hopefully that leads to lots of free beers for ya!
Sincerely,
Donald (UAA Hockey Fan Blog)

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